I don't post much but I am really offended by such a dispicable ad. I have heard nothing good come from those who are for same sex marriage. I am not opposed per se to same sex partnerships and them having certain rights. Call them what you want but I don't believe in calling them marriages. Just my thoughts.
"Certain" rights Deric? What rights would those be? I think that your comment may have not come out the way you intended it too. I believe that all people should have the same rights. I have social concerns but believe legal rights should be the same for all.
The add is very dispicable. Did they do one against the Catholic church too? They seem to be right there with the Mormons on the issue. By they way? Did prop 8 pass? I haven't heard.
Propositions for a ban on gay marriage have passed in Arizona and Florida. The one in California is close, but appears to be ahead by 52 to 48 with some absentee ballots still to count.
It was a wipe-out for conservative candidates across the board, but conservative issues did very well, which leads me to believe that the conservative movement is alive and well. We just need a candidate that will articulate and espouse conservative positions. McCain was not such a candidate.
In response to Brians' question about my thoughts, I do believe that gay couples have the "right" to visit hospitals, etc. and make legal decisions for their partners. I believe that they should have the "right" to designate their partners for healhcare issues and indurance purposes. In that, I feel that they should have the "right" o some sort of "civil" designation...call it what you want. But, I do believe that marriage should be be saved for the designation of one man and one woman. I do NOT believe that ALL rights should be equal but I can't see withholding needed medical rights or decisions of healthcare soley for the married couples. I jsut look at what Doug and Nick had to go through and I feel that it would be wrong for Nick to lose his job/insurance and not be able to have a backup plan/insurance through Doug's insurance. It just doesn't seem fair nor right to me. Therefore I do believe that some sort of civil union ought to be allowed for certain privilages. THere are other differences and designations that I feel are appropriate but it would take oo long to list them all. That's all.
It's a good discussion to have. It sounds to me like Brian's challenge of Deric's statement helps Deric and all of us to ask what those rights, privileges, recognitions might be. Society as a whole is struggling with that. Since Nick fell ill, I have learned a lot in regards to these questions. I will write about it sometime. But one thing is sure, whether we are treated the same or not by government, we have been treated as equals by you our family and we are grateful for that.
As for the video, I have my objections to it as well. It painted Mormons (well Mormon missionaries) as home invaders and as wildly disrespectful. It propagates the villainization of Mormons. It deepens the gap between the two sides by exploiting already tenses emotions. And it endangers Mormon missionaries who might have to deal with violence (this may seem liberal wacky, but I have always believed that villainizing anyone makes it easier for the weak brained to justify violence. )
That said, I also find it disturbing that those married already will find their marriages annulled. A bit of empathy, you might pause to imagine what that means to us.
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I don't post much but I am really offended by such a dispicable ad. I have heard nothing good come from those who are for same sex marriage. I am not opposed per se to same sex partnerships and them having certain rights. Call them what you want but I don't believe in calling them marriages. Just my thoughts.
"Certain" rights Deric? What rights would those be? I think that your comment may have not come out the way you intended it too. I believe that all people should have the same rights. I have social concerns but believe legal rights should be the same for all.
And let's be sure to distinguish between rights and privileges.
In this case, the can of worms is whether marriage is a right or a privilege.
The main point of this post is that I find the gross mischaracterization of the Mormon faith in this ad to be over the line.
The add is very dispicable. Did they do one against the Catholic church too? They seem to be right there with the Mormons on the issue. By they way? Did prop 8 pass? I haven't heard.
Propositions for a ban on gay marriage have passed in Arizona and Florida. The one in California is close, but appears to be ahead by 52 to 48 with some absentee ballots still to count.
It was a wipe-out for conservative candidates across the board, but conservative issues did very well, which leads me to believe that the conservative movement is alive and well. We just need a candidate that will articulate and espouse conservative positions. McCain was not such a candidate.
In response to Brians' question about my thoughts, I do believe that gay couples have the "right" to visit hospitals, etc. and make legal decisions for their partners. I believe that they should have the "right" to designate their partners for healhcare issues and indurance purposes. In that, I feel that they should have the "right" o some sort of "civil" designation...call it what you want. But, I do believe that marriage should be be saved for the designation of one man and one woman. I do NOT believe that ALL rights should be equal but I can't see withholding needed medical rights or decisions of healthcare soley for the married couples. I jsut look at what Doug and Nick had to go through and I feel that it would be wrong for Nick to lose his job/insurance and not be able to have a backup plan/insurance through Doug's insurance. It just doesn't seem fair nor right to me. Therefore I do believe that some sort of civil union ought to be allowed for certain privilages. THere are other differences and designations that I feel are appropriate but it would take oo long to list them all. That's all.
It's a good discussion to have. It sounds to me like Brian's challenge of Deric's statement helps Deric and all of us to ask what those rights, privileges, recognitions might be. Society as a whole is struggling with that. Since Nick fell ill, I have learned a lot in regards to these questions. I will write about it sometime. But one thing is sure, whether we are treated the same or not by government, we have been treated as equals by you our family and we are grateful for that.
As for the video, I have my objections to it as well.
It painted Mormons (well Mormon missionaries) as home invaders and as wildly disrespectful. It propagates the villainization of Mormons. It deepens the gap between the two sides by exploiting already tenses emotions. And it endangers Mormon missionaries who might have to deal with violence (this may seem liberal wacky, but I have always believed that villainizing anyone makes it easier for the weak brained to justify violence. )
That said, I also find it disturbing that those married already will find their marriages annulled.
A bit of empathy, you might pause to imagine what that means to us.
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